senator manchin said he wants to tax the wealthy good. the house ways and means committee passed a proposal that includes as i understand about $2 trillion in it doing it with tax breaks for the wealthy and large corporations. i do not understand, to be honest with you, how it this time in world history you cannot talk about the crisis of climate change and tell us what you want to do. that is really inexcusable. i've said many, many times and i've said this as a grandparent i do not want my generation to have to look their kids and their grandchildren in the eye and say yes we failed to in the planet is now uninhabitable. yes? >> senator, some of your house colleagues and said they understand 3.5 is not a realistic number. the president has also said that. are you willing to concede 3.5 is too much right now question or. >> am willing to succeed? no. to be frank with you. what i have said it can be give and take prince's part of the process we will be in the room in that give-and-take. >> human senator manchin different fundamental views

senator manchin wants to pack. the house committee has a proposal to $2 trillion doing away with tax breaks. not good enough to be vague and i do not understand how this time in world history we cannot talk about the crisis of climate change what we want to do. it is inexcusable. i said many times and i say this is a grandparent, i do not want my generation to have to look their kids and grandchildren in the eye and say we failed you the plan is not uninhabitable. >> talking about specificity here -- [inaudible] that's not a realistic number, the present setback. are you willing to concede that we .5 is too much right now? >> no, i do believe too little to be frank with you. what i have said, it's going to be a different take. >> you and senator manchin just cap different amount of use of government control and the site, how do you resolve these differences? >> i'm not here to disparage senator manchin, i respect him. what i would say is this, i know media talks about compromise and all that stuff, we got 48 senato

manchin hopes that would send a signal. he would then wait and see if that move had any impact on the negotiations. after about a week, he said, he would change his voter registration from democratic to independent. manchin told associates that he was prepared to initiate his executive plan earlier this week and had mentioned the possibility to biden. leading off our discussion tonight, david corn -- with msnbc -- norma norton's teen -- at the american enterprise -- is arena maxwell, the host of the program zerlina, that is on the choice from msnbc exclusively on peacock. david corn, senator manchin has responded to your reporting today. let's begin. by listening to senator manchin's colorful response to your reporting. look >> i can't control rumors -- be ul l -- >> i'm just writing that down, he said capital be. david, your official response to this senator's response to your report. >> well, he's not right. he's knows he's not right. he apparently, i assume he knows what he's been saying the people of the past couple day

joe manchin may be the last one.you think anybody will come out of the woodwork and the democratic party elected officials in support joe manchin. his position on strict limits to spending with work requirements for example and his concerns about inflation and government spending, to me are common sense, anybody can understand the and support including myself. >> a couple of things is very respectful but he understands school has issues when it comes to the environment but that's not where it stops in west virginia he looks at senator byrd as a mentor and he said i'm in a seat he liked to make deals and cared about the process i think he feels an allegiance to that. here's what i think is happening kyrsten sinema condenses and from a purple state, she's tougher than anyone thought, my bigger question mark kelly is up in a year end a purple state a lot of people believe it's a republican state, john mccain had that seat, if mark kelly wants to keep that is he making it easier for republicans to take him out because hi

which senator manchin opposes. the stuff that senator manchin says he does not, like senator sanders wrote that all of those things would help west virginia. he wrote, quote, pull off their poll shows overwhelming support for this legislation. get the political problem we face is that in a 50/50 senate we need every democratic senator to vote yes. we now have only 48 yes votes, two democratic senators remain in opposition, including, west virginia senator joe manchin. again, senator biden and -- senator sanders, publishing that in senator manchin's hometown paper in west virginia, with senator manchin did not like, he doesn't like anybody else talking to west virginia except for him. he responded to that in a sniff the statement that said in part, quote, this isn't the first time an out of state or has tried to tell was virginians what is bad for them, despite having no relationship to our state. i will not vote for a reckless expansion of government programs. no opted from a self declared independent socialist is

joe manchin is in favor of spending $1.75 trillion, and joe manchin is in favor of raising taxes including income taxes on the rich to pay for that package and no republican currently serving in the united states senate has ever voted for a tax increase on anything. there are reports today that congressional democrats are now rushing to reach an agreement on the biden social infrastructure bill. majority leader chuck schumer said this today on the senate floor. >> everyone is going to have to compromise if we're going to find that legislative sweet spot we can all get behind. nobody will get everything they want, but no matter what, our final proposal will deliver the core promise we made to the american people. we're getting closer to an agreement. we want to finalize a deal by the end of this week, but we all must keep moving together. >> chuck schumer knows that in a 50/50 senate, the most important vote joe manchin has cast this year in the senate was the vote to make chuck schumer the majority leader and put democrats in charge of every committee of the senate. chuck schumer knows the

>> no. >> manchin!e daily show" to take us off the air tonight. that is our broadcast this thursday night. with our thanks for being here with us, on behalf of all our colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night. there is a lot going on tonight in washington. a lot of moving parts. just this hour on capitol hill a lot of stuff that we are going to see develop, we think over the course of this hour while we are on their. now, at the very end of last night show, you might remember, we showed you some footage. that we got in just at the last second that we got off the air. from last night's congressional baseball game. this game happens every year. it's been going on for over a century. it's supposed to encourage commodity, in lawmakers. how is that going? if [laughs] but these games are supposed to if these games are supposed to be some kind of be some kind of a rescue respite from the pressures of from the pressures of capitol hill, la

hearing it from both sides. >> tell joe manchin don't give in to this liberal manchin. >> if you seell him to keep up the fight, just like he's always done. >> reporter: but he feels no pressure in meeting his party's october 31st deadline. >> do you think it's possible to get this done by october 31st? >> i really don't know what the timing is. there's no rush on timing. let's do it and do it right. >> so sanders and manchin have also been sparring over the strategy to pass that $1.2 trillion infrastructure plan. manchin wants the house to ps that immediately. sanders supported a delay in order to get manchin and sinema to sign on to that safety package which has caused unease among top democrats. the number two democrat dick durbin told me there's, quote, high anxiety among democrats. he wants manchin and cinema to close the deal. >> high anxiety. manu raju, thank you. >>> so you have bernie sanders and joe manchin locking horns. this started after sanders went after manchin in an op-ed in the newspaper in manchin's home state west virginia. and manchin really doesn't like it when

they were saying sinema and manchin should tell us what they want. apparently joe manchin did. chuck schumer knew that was manchin's number. in late july they both signed a letter obtained by "politico" that made clear manchin's number was $1.5 trillion. now here we are. we're on the brink of the president's agenda blowing up all because of his own party. okay? so let's get to it, the folks who are experts on all of this. there are they are in the thick of it. joining me now, senior reporter kaitlan collins and ryan nobles. we're almost into friday and there has been no vote. nancy pelosi sent out a new letter. talk to me about it. >> don, that letter really isn't offering us much clarity in terms of where this is headed tonight. i talked to three different sources familiar with her writing saying we shouldn't interpret this letter to say there is not going to be a vote tonight. it says, it has been a day of progress in search of building back better. work is being done. discussions continue with the house, senate and white house to reach a bicameral framework agreement to buil

manchin very much did not like. he does not like anyone else talking to west virginians except him. he responded in a snippy statement that said, quote, this isn't the first time an out-of-stater has tried to tell west virginians what's best for them despite having no relationship to our state. i will not vote for a reckless expansion of programs. no op-ed from a self-declared independent socialist is going to change that. so all of that made it seem like the prospects for democrats figuring something out, coming to some kind of resolution, it seems like those prospects were getting more and more remote as senator manchin seemed to be getting more dug in and more prickly about it all the time, but then today happened. i mean, for the first time since these talks began, you had the lead progressive negotiator, congresswoman pramila jayapal, somehow managing to get into the same room as one of the two elusive senators holding up this deal. from the very beginning, because we care about the policy and human drama of it

so senator manchin has the right to fight for his point of view. he is a member of the senate. but two people do not have the right to sabotage with 48 want and the president of the united states want. that to me is wrong. >> would it be feasible to hammer this out? >> that discussion has taken place. in your discussions with president biden, have you encouraged him to not scale that number back? >> if we were in a room we have to go somewhere in the middle. we are not in the position but to go down to where two people want it seems unfair, not to mention. >> whenn you lifted off the measures as opposed to is that ityour understanding senator manchin is calling for significant cost? >> we need some specificity here. you want to cut climate, cut climate. tell us with some specificity what you want. >> as i understand it, i am not privy to everything but i think the position has been she doesn't negotiate publicly and i don't know what that means. i have heard that she is opposed to having medicare negotiate prescription drug prices and lowering prescription drug prices. i've hea

joe manchin, we need permanent long-term jobs.s whole state is depending on him to do something right. >> that add from a coalition of groups against joe manchin, this is a reporting of the nation in a headline titled bernie sanders shows democrats how to deal with joe manchin. if democrats hope to enact a build back better agenda that expands medicare, provides paid family leave, lifts children out of poverty and saves the planet, they're going to have to speak bluntly about the democrats who are standing in the way of progress. most members of the senate democratic caucus are resonant about stating the obvious. but bernie sanders did so on sunday when he explained to west virginians that their senator was on the wrong side of joe biden's plan. sanders wrote an opinion piece for the charleston gazette mail. by monday morning, was the top trending piece in west virginia's capital city which by monday morning -- on the website, in it, he argued for the plan that is backed by president biden and the vast majority of congressional de

manchin, senator manchin, to help us with what compassionate and rewarding society is about. does that mean addressing the reality that 600,000 people in the country are homeless? does it mean dealing with the grotesque level of wealth inequality that we have? does it mean dealing with one out of four americans can't fill the prescriptions their doctors write because the price of drugs in this country is sometimes ten times higher than it is in canada and other countries? so we need some specificity. he wants to say i believe in an an entitlement society. i would not look at it -- use that phraseology. do i believe in a nation based on economic, social, racial, and environmental justice, yeah, frankly, i admit it, you got it right here on your show, i believe all americans are entitled as human beings to health care. i believe people are entitled to quality education regardless of their income. i believe that people are entitled to affordable housing. i don't believe that two people are entitled to own more wealth than the bottom 40% of american society. and, by the way, one

we turn now to look at "joe manchin's dirty empire."orter daniel examines how manchin profited from a series of coal companies. senator manchin continues to earn millions from the firms. he is now demanding democrats strip funding for the clean electricity performance program, a critical climate initiative to replace: gas-fired plants. investigative journalist daniel boguslaw joins us now from portland, oregon. layout for us, on the one hand you have senator manchin, the largest recipient of oil, gas, coal money in the senate. but what is not talked as much about is that he is making millions off of his own companies in west virginia, even if somof that money is in a blind trust. layout the empire. daniel: thank you for having the. -- thank you for having me. in the late 1980's, he started coal brokerage firm. he was a middlan between suppliers and buyers. from that time, he built out the empire, brokering coal between all of these plants. today, that is largely focused on the grant town powerplant, which at one point had became the mai

manchin, senator manchin to help us out, what a compassionate and rewarding society is about.ality, that 600,000 people in america, are homeless? does it mean dealing with the grotesque level of income wealth inequality, that we have? does it mean dealing with the fact that one out of four americans can't fill their prescriptions, that their doctors right, because the price of drugs in this country in some cases are ten times higher than other countries? we need some specificity. if he wants to say i believe in entitlement's society. i would not look at it like that. i do believe in a nation, based on economics, social, racial and environmental justice. yes. frankly i admit. you got it right here on the show. i believe that all americans are entitled, as human beings. two health care. i believe people are entitled to quality education, regardless of their income. i believe that people are entitled, to affordable housing. i don't believe that two people are entitled to own more wealth, than the bottom 40% of american society. by the way, one of the things that's playing out her

joe manchin didn't want anything, and he came up to 1.5 trillion. step. berns was at $7 trillion to get everything he wanted, and he came way down to $3.5 trillion. he thinks that's a pretty good step. it's not wrong. what you said about president biden is the key. manu's great reporting about his joke about it being homicide getting them in the same room, notwithstanding, this is what he campaigned on. >> right. >> joe biden said i am the guy who can get things done and we're not talking about across the aisle here. we're talking about inside his party. why not. take a piece of paper, sit down in the oval office with senator sanders and with senator manchin and get beyond the vagaries that manu is talking about and talk about what are the issues that you can live with, what are the issues that you can't live without and let's put it down, and the reason at this point the hard truth politically is that president biden would have full responsibility, and if he fails, that would be on him. the upside is if he wins and he's successful, that would be a

well, apparently joe manchin did. chuck schumer knew that was manchin's number.late july they both signed a letter obtained by politico that made clear manchin's number was 1.5 tril $1.5 trillion. and here we are on the brink of the president's agenda blowing up all because of his own party. let's get to folks who are experts on all of this. joining me now cnn's chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins and cnn's congressional correspondent ryan nobles. good evening to both of you, pins and needles. i want to get to the capitol first. so ryan, that means you. we're almost into friday and there has been no vote. house speaker nancy pelosi just sent out a new letter. so talk to me about it. >> and, yeah, don, that letter isn't really offering us much clarity onto where things are heading here tonight. i talked to three different sources familiar with their thinking saying we shouldn't interpret this letter as saying there will not be a vote here tonight. in fact, this is part of what the letter reads. it has been a day of progress in fulfilling the president'

manchin doesn't want to touch the filibuster. anderson was correct in moving biden specifically on to that issue after a question. here is what he said on point. >> i also think we're going to have to move to the point where we fundamentally alter the filibuster. >> are you saying once you get this current agenda passed on spending and social programs, that you would be open to fundamentally altering the filibuster or doing away with -- or doing away with it? >> well that remains to be seen. exactly what that means in terms of fundamentally altering it, whether or not we just end the filibuster straight up. voting rights particularly is consequential. >> when it comes to voting rights, just so i'm clear though you would entertain the notion of doing away with the filibuster on that one issue, is that correct? >> and maybe more. >> thinking about it in realtime. walking around. anderson is trying to get his attention. it's manchin. it's not we, we, we. there's no we, we, we. is there any indication, dana, that manchin got a messag

the second big difference is that manchin prided himself and his ego is very much built on a manchinhat is independent where he's a democrat, but a democrat that tells honest truth to his own party. if he were to change and go to the republican party, that destroys the party. jim jeffords was the last of the yankee republicans and finally switched to democrat. i think what is going on with manchin is he basically has to send a message to democratic donors, don't think ability pulling your money for me for re-election. it's a power play. >> you decode it well. the fundamentals clearly matter because that speaks to whether there's a warm embrace and a political future in that kind of move, a move rarely made, but when it does happen, it tends to happen in 50/50 senates. che co-munn durie, good to see you. >>> the house barreling forward trying to get steve bannon possibly jailed. they are voting on holding him in contempt. we have a key investigator and leader of that committee, adam schiff is here. stay with us. rt small. with nicorette. which can lead to something big. start stopping

and of course, west virginia senator joe manchin. he's been far more vocal about the fact he's not onboard, and been more specific, to his credit. today, there was this leak of a document that manchin signed in july saying he would only agree to a spending bill capped at $1.5 trillion instead of the $3.5 trillion bill that president biden wants. and manchin came out with a statement yesterday blasting the build back better bill, saying it was designed to, quote, vengefully tax for the sake of wishful spending. and that's because most of the bill would be paid for just to be clear, it's not a huge increase to the deficit. with tax increases on big corporations and the very wealthy. today, manchin told reporters he, quote, cannot accept an economy or our society moving towards an entitlement mentality. while making clear where he sees himself in the party. >> i have voted pretty consistently my whole life. i don't fault any of them who believe they are much more progressive and much more liberal. god bless them, and all they need to do

host: some of the protesters at joe manchin's houseboat. let's hear from jennifer on the republican line in virginia. >> thank you for taking my call. i have a couple of points i want to make. the first one is everybody coming after joe manchin for not voting for the 3.5. you also have the progressives that aren't willing to do anything unless it gets passed. it's typical washington games. the other point is the 3.5, there are so many entitlements in it. look at our social security? do we want the government controlling our childcare and college. it's 2021. they need to change. we need to subsidize childcare. women -- single women have been working and needing childcare since the 70's. what happened to the american dream of working and proving your life and doing these things? we've been doing this for a long time. i don't disagree with a hand up. host: michael is up next from arizona. caller: thank you for taking my call. i just wanted to say how disappointed i am with our representation. i've heard all this talk about joe manchin. he is s

joe manchin and kristen cinema need to realize that. joining me now for the more perspective, from the, senate's democratic senator chris murphy, of connecticut. senator, i want to have you on because you said something, you said something that i think, jibed with my read on today. you said something along the lines of, getting statements from sinema and manchin, were positive steps today. elaborate on that. >> i see today as a good day. this is a bit of an artificial deadline that was created by the speaker of the house. it was a forcing mechanism to try to get her caucus to come to the table on the bipartisan infrastructure bill. but also a forcing mechanism to get joe manchin and kristen cinema to be a bit more detail than what they support what they don't support, and in that sense, we have had a good day. right now as we speak there are discussions happening. there are more detail, more nuanced, than any point in the last few weeks, about what kind of agenda, all 50 senators can get behind. now, if it ends up being closer to one an

manchin is not. >> all right. everybody stand by because up next we are going to be looking at the show of force that we are saying by progressives securing a spot in the driver's seat and eagerly taking the wheel. you see him there. next we'll talk to one of the members of the progressive connection who says what need to be done to seal the deal. he'll tell us more after the break. are you one of the millions of americans who experience occasional bloating, gas or abdominal discomfort? taking align every day can help. align contains a quality probiotic developed by gastroenterologists. it adds more good bacteria to your gut to naturally help soothe your occasional bloating, gas and abdominal discomfort. support your digestive health with align, the #1 doctor recommended probiotic. try align today. and try new align fast acting biotic gummies. helps soothe occasional digestive upsets in as little as 7 days. at aetna, we take a total, connected approach to your health and wellness to help you age actively. with med

only because joe manchin is always joe manchin. like, he's -- he tells you what he wants to do.s pretty straightforward. sinema's more of a question because she's been a little, you know, snarky with the media and we're really not sure why she's doing this except maybe to help her colleague, junior senator mark kelly, because like for example -- that's a perfect example. mark kelly is like, i'm only talking about state issues. that's it. i only want to talk about what's good for the state. he will got get into this conversation, so her carrying water for her re-election in 2024 is a lot better than him getting into the fight for 2022. >> juanita tolliver, i want to read a tweet from the joe scarborough. mitch mcconnell does what it takes to win. democrats should feel free to do the same. if they can't even make an exception for voting rights, they aren't tough enough to run the senate. joe scarborough is essentially making the point, if you're not going to act, right, then in a way, maybe you deserve to lose the majority. in the senate as a democrat. especially on something as i

have a little mo pressure put on manchin from the rest of the democrats.er factor her is that there are not that many progressives in the senate, a least.it is a very lonely place to be a prressive. that is the other half of this equation. chuck schumer has moved to the left and gotn some other people, but at the same time it the same people who were in power years earlier when politics w very different and are still very much stuck in that older playbook. amy: you say that schumer has very much moved because othe threat of aoc perhaps challenging him in the next election for senate. we will have to leave it there for now. we will link to your pieced how kyrsten sinema went from lefty activist to proud neoliberal democrat." stay with us. ♪ amy: "somebody that i used to know" by elliott smith. we look at how one of the leading covid-19 vaccine makers appears to have restricted -- appears to have restrict access to those very vaccines. the people's vaccine alliance since 14% of the 1.8 billion doses rich nations promised to donate have been delivered so far.

manchin is coming from a state that trump won. is that really what's going on here, is the people they represent are far more conservative and they wouldn't survive this? >> it's that, but i can say in the case of senator manchin, it's also that it's his personal philosophy. you heard him out talking to reporters earlier today, and he was saying, look, if prog progressives want more progressive agenda items and policies, then they need to elect more progressives. he is being very open about it. yes, it is the fact that he represents ruby red west virginia, and it is an anomaly in some ways that he represents that state, and it's because he is so well known. but it is also because he believes it. what's really interesting, anderson, is that if you look at the state of west virginia, there are so many of his constituents who could benefit from a lot of these programs -- >> yeah, that's what's so interesting. >> -- that the biden white house wants to put forward. but they also fundamentally, idealogically don't believe, a lot of them

he's focused on manchin and sinema of arizona. manchin is speaking right now as we're talking.s giving an address. i just think that there's a couple deadlines here we have to watch. not only the president's trip, there's the federal surface transportation deadline of october 31st that runs out. if they need to extend that, they have to get some agreement from senate republicans. that's not going to be easy to do. and the big one, the really big one is november 2nd. you opened your piece talking about this, they're worried about virginia. if terry mcauliffe loses, they're worried about moderates will run for the hills if there's not an agreement in place and they'll be worried about a repeat of 2009 and 2010 and democrats getting wiped out in the midterms. >> joe manchin is speaking, he's in an interview with david rubin style, co-founder of carlyle. the president of one of the biggest private equity firms. talk about this billionaires tax. this is kind of nonsense. they are being taxed on this income. people this wealthy pay themselves a tiny amount. this is not a wealth tax.

senator manchin said he had a plan, the problem according to senator manchin was not that just republicans were obstructing this for the sake of obstructionism, not that they were wholesale against any projection for voting rights, he said it was simply, that this for the people act was the wrong bill. the democrats who had written it, had written it wrong. was too broad, too partisan, somehow. it was written in such a way that it was in appealing to republicans. but that was fixable. he insisted that all the other democrats that pushes the wrong way, they had written a bill wrong, but if you wrote the bill right, republicans would support it. why wouldn't they? he insisted his colleagues and to the public and to the press that the other democrats had just done this wrong way, but he joe manchin knew that republicans supported voting rights and therefore there was a voting rights bill that could get republican support if it was written correctly. and then to his credit, sincerely to his legitimate credit, senator manchin put his money where his mouth was. he said you know what, i actually

joe manchin, democrats are mad at joe manchin, they ought to be grateful for him. st.'s the one man standing between you and the majority leader mitch doing everything in this power to thank the biden agenda. please share your thinking with the audience to him. >> i know that that might not be a popular one, not one that many will agree to anyway. , joe biden got 28% of the vote in joe mentioned state. 20%. against donald trump after that catastrophe that we saw for the last four years. which joe manchin has on the table right now is passing an infrastructure bill that is going to lift and fix every right party. and do all kinds of things for climate, for our roads, and bridges, and pence transportation. another 1.5 trillion is doubled the size of the obama stimulus by the way. that is going to go to working families, and families with kids that need extra assistance. he is going to pay for. that by getting rid of the carried interest tax loophole, and raising the top tax bracket. the built should be running around the country, blowing their horns and having a celebrat

manchin is sending a signal here. i don't like the trump tax cuts, i do want the rich to pay more. i want to spend at least $1.5 trillion is how i hear him. people call it a top line, and i don't know what that is. what it is is a floor. the least that the democrats are going to get out of this is $1.5 trillion over and above $1.2 trillion for infrastructure. this is going to be most remarkable win for progressives they've ever had if they can just accept it. >> it's like, take the win, dana, right? they really are poo-pooing that even if the numbers are what everybody wants least, it will be the most spending since the new deal, and almost all of it is in categories that the american people have said from everywhere and every level that they want. >> no question about it. so many of the democrats who were serving, especially in the house right now -- first of all, a good number of them have not done this kind of thing before. the freshman, and even those who are in their second terms, were not familiar with having an

not even in line with past statements from joe manchin. he's been very public and not waited for the house to act without speaking publicly where he stands on overall price tag, the revenue sources, the taxes, or even what's included in the bill. so when he says all in the hands of the house right now, i'm going to take this as a "no comment" from joe manchin at this moment. am i wrong? >> reporter: i think that's correct, kate. it's surprising because he is the one who's been in the center of all these talks. he is the one who knows where this framework -- what it would look like today. the bhishls were meeting with him and kyrsten sinema for hours yesterday going through all these different proposals. he came out of that meeting yesterday, i asked him about what happened, and he said it's up to the caucus to decide, indicating that he has essentially -- what they had proposed as far as that he'd be willing to go. he know what is's in here. he didn't need extra time to evaluate this proposal. he knew that paid leave was going to be droppe

is manchin praming like that. >> do you know. we had these silo conversations, sort of like manchin isly, the progressives, the white house -- >> i don't know. >> why doirchlt. you know, i think what will happen here is we'll a have a framework, then the progressives should get on board. this tonight is going to move us forward. what manchin has done is constructive in saying that i voted against the trump tax cuts. at the very least we can have about 2 tr$2 trillion, and they on the record opposing these tax cuts. >> ro khaana, this is helpful, because you'll explain it in such a way that people don't follow thely voting process. maybe it's a good thing if it allows you to get even more done. good luck going forward doing the business of the people. >> thank you for giving me the opportunity. >> thank you for taking it. >>> stay with us. why would nancy pelosi -- strategists, why would she put something on that's not going to win? would that send some kind of message i've never seen before, but that will happen on our wa watch.

manchin has left the capitol.ther key figures are going to be going to the house vote to negotiate with him. i'm still a little nervous that we haven't heard anything from sinema who's a key player. but also keep in mind that when manchin says 1.5 is my bottom line or top line, however you want to frame it, a while back he said we should have $4 trillion in infrastructure spending. then he said i'm comfortable with $2 trillion. when he says these things it shouldn't be taken too seriously and we know there are a lot of ways to reach an agreement, including shortening the number of years in which you have these programs in place. so the bottom line is it's not a terribly significant figure. i'm still nervous at the tax numbers and the substance of the tax figures are going to be ones where manchin and sinema will take different points of view. and that's what concerns me more about reaching another stalemate here. >> yeah, such a good point because the old saying which is true, nothing is agreed to until everything

so why does manchin want to cut the specific program?ll crystal and laura lopez. great to see you here on set. manchin has acknowledged the impacts of climate change. he co-wrote an op-ed in 2019 in "the washington post" about just that. at the same time we know he's been a big backer of the coal industry in west virginia. what do you make of him wanting to cut this climate program, that these experts say will help his state? >> publicly right now what he's saying is that his view is that the company is already doing this. in order for the biden administration to meet that 50% or close to cut 50% carbon emissions, all climate experts as they told you think that these steps need to be taken or else the country isn't going to reach that goal that biden has set. manchin has long been a big proponent of fossil fuel and keeping fossil fuel in the mix. that's at the heart here. manchin has long talked about all of the above energy, long wanted to keep fossil fuel companies running and think that them along with natural gas can be a part of the

and manchin.rom your allies that progress is being made in the meetings or at least the key people are just staring at each other right now. >> john, it's great to be with you again. look, this is progress. the fact that manchin and sinema are finally talking about their top lines and what they can and cannot live with is a result of a progressive strategy to enact the overwhelming majority of this president's broadly popular economic provisions. this is a strategy that was articulated initially by the president himself, the majority leader in the senate and, of course, the speaker of the house nancy pelosi until a few renegade democrats tried to derail that. i'm very optimistic we'll pass both. the build back better act containing the vast majority of what the president proposed earlier this spring. >> one of the key points you made you disagreed with joe manchin on means testing. he says if you make 150,000, 200,000, 300,000 a year you should either not get or get a smaller piece of government b

is senator manchin wrong?look, i won't say that senator manchin is wrong but i will say that this administration, we know what we need to do, we need to deliver for the american people. 17 nobel laureate economists said if we passed both of these plans we would reduce inflation, what we have to do is make sure senator manchin understands how this affects the future in terms of making sure we invest in american families so they can determine their own destiny. we think we have unity of purpose with senator manchin. that's what the president does best and that is to talk to senator manchin and make sure that he understands the entire vision, why we need to do it and at what amount. at the end of the day, chris, i think what's important for people to understand is that this piece of legislation costs zero. we're going to pay for it all by raising taxes on the very wealthy and big corporations. chris: i've got to stop you there. it doesn't of cost zero, whether it's three and-a-half trillion or one and-a-half tril

the range defined by joe manchin as his limit. now, this statement does seem to represent a shift in senator sinema's position, which had been reported as being opposed to any tax increases in the biden bill. and earlier tonight, president biden described senator sinema's position this way. >> she's smart as the devil, number one. number two, she's very supportive of the environmental agenda in my legislation, very supportive. she's supportive of almost all the things i mentioned relating to everything from family care to all those issues. where she's not supportive is she says she will not raise a single penny in taxes on the corporate side and/or on wealthy people, period, and so that's where it sort of breaks down. >> senator sinema's public silence about what she is trying to achieve in the legislation has led to what the "new york times" today called a, quote, crescendo of anger and pressure that ms. sinema is facing from erstwhile allies who say they are perplexed by her recent tactics. we'll be joined by one of those who ad

that is what joe manchin said in a tweet in response to the op-ed.iously, sanders' approach to manchin is not necessarily working. what is the right path forward to get sinema and manchin on board when it comes to reconciliation? >> well, the path forward, i think, is exactly what we're engaged in. first of all, we have investments in our infrastructure. we have priorities in terms of making sure that no one is left behind when you look at the child care investments. we want to make sure that women especially can get back in the workforce. they cannot afford child care. we have, in our build back better bill, provisions for housing. you know, there is a housing crisis in our country. many unsheltered people. we have people who can't afford to buy a home. we have, in our build back better bill, many provisions as it relates to middle class tax cuts, ensuring that the child tax credit stays in the bill, which will help reduce significantly poverty among children. when you look at workforce development, when you look at the climate crisis, again, when y

manchin and sanders squabbled behind closed doors, with manchin using a raised fist goose egg to telln live without any of the president's social spending plan according to one senator in the room, joe said, "i'm comfortable with nothing." bernie said, "we need to do $3.5 trillion. manchin said, "i'm comfortable with zero," forming a zero with his thumb and index finger all right, first of all, never get into a hand gesture battle with bernie sanders. the man uses his index fingers the way ninjas use throwing stars. remember the debate? he never had to say a word he just raised that index finger while someone else was talking it would be like watching the rock pick up his microphone. [ laughter ] but say all you want about manchin, and clearly, we've said a lot. at least he's a democrat from west virginia, where trump won by almost 40 points. sinema, on the other hand, is from arizona, a state joe biden won, and where her poll numbers among democrats have collapsed thanks to her obstructionism and, unlike manchin, she never even talks to the press or to voters, for that matter. she ho

you have manchin and sinema. yes, you have progressives on board, but you don't have the votes you need. was the rick this morning for the president to come up to the hill to make the case? did it pay off? and how is today dramatically different? >> today is different because i've heard from both senators, manchin and sinema, that they believe this is a framework that they can work with, that this is a basis for us moving forward, and obviously speaker pelosi and the president decided that they are in a position to go to the house caucus and say, pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill. i'll remind you, that bill will put $1.2 trillion into every state in the country, create 650,000 high-skilled high wage jobs and do some of the critical work in climate resiliency that we need done. yes, it's been weeks and weeks of our trying to work through the minminutia, the details of build back better agenda. but president biden in recent days has been intimately personally engaged in negotiating with senators san dershowit

and also senator manchin held another bun in one meeting with senator manchin. later a chip per thought they were leaving and went to get sued o'fill. >> we're talking. >> you're going to havely a revolution by the end of the week? >> do you care to make. you sort of sefrd something there as they goett got out of their cars. . ly the quote, never give up, bernie. what does that mean? cnn reported that in addition to senator man thin meeting with senator jay a paul. senator faen call with president biden today? does this mean that things are changing? what does it mean that the key progressives in this despite we're meeting runly tlou the indicate progress? i have just the porn to ask. joining usually. congressass cloou. ly again, i'm watching from the cheap seats as is everybody in this country who is a stakeholder in this fight, who you knows how transformative this could be who justlily do the drama. what can you tell us about that meeting with senator manchin and how we should understand it in terms of whether this thing is going to get done? >> i have said f

joe manchin disagrees. is important not just because of the personalities at issue here because in the senate, all 50 democrats need to agree in order for this bill to move forward. if one senator -- joe manchin or kyrsten sinema -- two of the leading moderates here -- were to defect, that will be enough to scuttle the entire biden agenda. and hanging in the balance, too, is that separate infrastructure bill that has already passed the senate. sanders has warned -- urged house democrats not to support that bill until that larger package is agreed to by manchin and sinema. so, so much here is riding on the line in the weeks ahead. bernie sanders leaving the meeting, told me i hope we can see some real action in the next week. another top democrat, dick durbin, told me there is high anxiety among democrats right now to get a deal. but manchin, himself, was pessimistic that they can reach a deal by the end of this month. the new deadline for democratic leaders, though, erin, still uncertain how they get there

t manchin and sinema. sources tell nbc one of the things that's happening is the negotiating is actually making the hard calls. that's another sign they're closer to the end because you can throw in all the adjectives you want about essentially done, but then you have to check are things moving forward according to the parties that have the vote and veto. that brings us to this headline. paid family leave now getting dropped out of the package according to multiple accounts, democratic sources, and the reasoning is the resistance from manchin. meanwhile, they're working on other details regarding childcare tax credits, climate change, medicare, and trying to get to the funding of this. all of which has become a big story this week. one way to do that is a minimum corporate tax rate. senator sinema said she's okay with that. then there's talk about the billionaire tax. manchin balking at that idea and saying this today. >> everybody in this country that has been blessed and prospered should pay a patriotic

senator manchin saying that is not on the table. here's what he said earlier today. >> are you okay with the carbon tax? >> no, we're not talking -- that's -- we haven't talked about that. no, we don't -- we're not -- carbon tax isn't on the board at all right now, okay? >> reporter: and the carbon tax was something that a lot of progressives up here in the senate were hoping might be some bridge to get manchin on board. obviously, manchin closing it down as you just saw there. but this is part of a broader effort from democrats. you have senator manchin, who is complicated on the issue of climate change, because of where he's from. he's from a coal-producing state in west virginia. he is seeing this and viewing this through the eyes of what is going to help or not help his state, and he just says he can't get there on the issue of climate change. meanwhile, you have progressives saying they aren't going to support a bill that doesn't deal substantially with the issue of climate change, so how they bridge that gap is just one of a p